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Mensaje por ildefonso machuca el Mar 23 Jul - 10:18

@HUNTER VZLA escribió:aqui hablan del vn-4 y de los vehiculos que vendran para la IM entre ellos nombran Tipo 86 PLZ89 osea que si viene el obús autropulsado para IM Cool 

http://www.janes.com/article/24674/venezuela-becomes-first-export-customer-for-norinco-vn4

HUNTER... de la noticia... no me queda claro lo siguiente...

noticia escribió:That said, China appears to be offering niche capabilities. In addition to the VN4, China is believed to have upgraded up to 500 of Venezuela's original Type 63 light amphibious tanks with enhanced amphibious capability and the installation of a new welded steel turret with increased ballistic protection.

tenemos 500 vehiculos tipo 63... china los esta repotenciando... Shocked 

This turret is armed with a 105 mm gun coupled to a computerised fire control system, 7.62 mm co-axial, and 12.7 mm roof-mounted MG.

Venezuela has also taken delivery of Type 86 IFV (an upgraded version of the Russian BMP-1 IFV), Type 63 command post vehicles, and PLZ89 122 mm self-propelled artillery systems: equipment that provided the Venezuelan marines with a significant increase in overall capability.

The sale of these surplus vehicles suggests that China has deployed more capable vehicles and that these older vehicles can now be released for export.

traducción de la pagina GOOGLE....

La venta de estos vehículos excedentes sugiere que China ha desplegado vehículos más capaces y que estos vehículos más viejos ahora se puede liberar para la exportación.

1) están vendiendo excedentes del ejercit chino???
2) estan saliendo de material "viejo" para reemplazarlo por nuevo???
3) reedición del cuento del T72...???


si son vehiculos "nuevos" hay alguien de la armada o la IM supervisando la construcción y/o fabricación... o el despacho a venezuela...

y la logistica de estos vehiculos... repuestos, municiones, etc...

la mona aunque se vista de seda... mona se queda...

agur...
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Re: Infanteria de Marina

Mensaje por GUARICONGO el Mar 23 Jul - 10:23

@vudu 1 escribió:Eso es viejoooo ya se sabia que estaba en el combo de rice cooling, sopa wanton mein, cerdo asado, pollo chop suey.

Todo eso esta muy bien, "vudu 1" Very Happy . Pero mira estuve buscando en Google t "Leasing",scratch study  no aparece en la escritura "mandarin". Podrias ser mas explicito?????pirat Razz 
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Mensaje por GUARICONGO el Mar 23 Jul - 10:26

Idelfonzo, estas preguntando????

Es que es confuso...!!!
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Re: Infanteria de Marina

Mensaje por vudu 1 el Mar 23 Jul - 10:26

Jaaaaaajaaaaaaaajjaa pipillo las capta todas por mp padre
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Re: Infanteria de Marina

Mensaje por vudu 1 el Mar 23 Jul - 10:28

Machuca eres una vaina seria, los equipos son nuevos compa y si hay personal de la idm en china.je eje siempre buscando concha e mango
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Re: Infanteria de Marina

Mensaje por horaes el Mar 23 Jul - 11:11

Jejejeje...bien creo que es hora de una clasecita de GEOESTRATEGIA, DIPLOMACIA y...CONTRAINTELIGENCIA...



Esa NOTA del Jane’ s tiene un error de REDACCION, pero que tiene a un gentío ( mayormente VECINOS, pero no sólo los paisas...ojo...)...en UN CORRECORRE



Por que lo INQUIETANTE ( pa ellos ) es la cifra...500...jejeje...


Uno de los más IMPORTANTES PUNTOS que vino a tratar SANTOS fue comunicar un HECHO SOBERANO y ya CONSUMADO:

Colombia crea una fuerza naval en la frontera con Venezuela y Brasil
domingo, 21 de julio de 2013 12:51



La nueva unidad es la cuarta de su tipo en Colombia y se suma a la Fuerza Naval del Caribe, la del Pacífico y la Fuerza Naval del Sur.

El Gobierno colombiano activará mañana la Fuerza Naval del Oriente, una unidad destinada a reforzar la seguridad en las zonas adyacentes a los ríos de la frontera con Venezuela y Brasil, informaron hoy fuentes militares.

La nueva unidad será inaugurada por el presidente colombiano, Juan Manuel Santos, en la ciudad de Puerto Carreño, capital del departamento del Vichada y separada de Venezuela por el río Orinoco.

El área de operaciones de la Fuerza Naval del Oriente comprende 5.032 kilómetros de ríos navegables en los departamentos de Casanare, Meta, Vichada, Guainía y Arauca, este último escenario de un ataque guerrillero en el que murieron ayer 17 soldados.

Esta fuerza naval está formada por la Brigada de Infantería de Marina Número 5, conformada por los batallones fluviales de Puerto Inírida, Puerto Carreño y Arauca y la Base Naval Orinoquía.

Igualmente la integran la Flotilla Fluvial del Oriente, compuesta por doce unidades flotantes, doce elementos de combate fluvial pesados y siete elementos de combate fluvial livianos, así como cinco puestos fluviales avanzados y siete estaciones móviles de apoyo fluvial, detalló la Armada en un comunicado.

Cerca de 1.800 hombres y mujeres han sido destinados a esta nueva unidad de la Armada que estarán bajo el mando del contralmirante Héctor Alfonso Medina Torres.

La Fuerza Naval del Oriente está preparada "para combatir todas las formas de delincuencia y actos que atenten contra la estabilidad de los habitantes de 60 municipios ribereños, que cuenta con una población aproximada de dos millones de habitantes", agregó la institución en un comunicado.

EFE
http://www.cmi.com.co/?n=111259


El DETALLE es de que NUESTRO ORINOCO son AGUAS SOBERANAS, se permite el tránsito “ INOCENTE “ pero NO EL PATRULLAJE y/o DESPLIEGUE de UNIDADES ARMADAS...en el RIO.

PRIVA el principio de COSTA SECA...


Este amigo Machuca...espere que lleguen mijo...deje el puje...



Y son NUEVECITOS...esos 500...



Un último PUNTO:


El Modelo TYPE 86 IFV esta INSPIRADO...repito INSPIRADO en algunos conceptos, sólo algunos...del TYPE 63 y del BMP-3....

El TYPE 63 fue en principio una copia del PT-76 con torreta diferente...ojo con pieza de 100 mm...


Otro PUNTO:


Y MUY IMPORTANTE... era tantear NUESTRA REACCION por los 3.000 REFUGIADOS del CATATUMBO...sip...la REGION de RIO DE ORO...que casualidad...

Lueguito seguimos....


VEAN más allá de los árboles...


Última edición por horaes el Mar 23 Jul - 11:13, editado 1 vez (Razón : RECALCAR puntos y SOBERANIA...jejejeje...)
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Re: Infanteria de Marina

Mensaje por vudu 1 el Mar 23 Jul - 11:32

Exacto lo que me imaginaba error de tipeo, y traducción todo la levantar suspicacias, detalles pintorescos
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Re: Infanteria de Marina

Mensaje por Chaco el Mar 23 Jul - 12:13

SERA como dice la canción, que la Infantería de Marina ira a crear o reforzar con Brigadas Mecanizadas esta área y los nuevos quedarían para funciones en el mar, aunado a esto están las del Ejercito.
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Re: Infanteria de Marina

Mensaje por Tiuna el Mar 23 Jul - 13:32

Material que vendria de china segun el documento posteado por Hunter:

PLZ89 122mm Self-Propelled Howitzer


The PLZ89 122mm self-propelled howitzer was fielded by the PLA in the late 1990s as a successor to the Type 70 122mm self-propelled howitzer. The artillery system was first displayed to the public during the 1999 National Day military parade held in Beijing to mark the 50th anniversary of the PRC. The Type 89 is found in the artillery regiment organic to an armoured division or brigade. Each battalion has 18 howitzers grouped into three batteries. The Marine brigade also has a Type 89 battery in its armoured regiment.

The main armament of the Type 89 is a 122mm/32-calibre howitzer derived from the Type 86 (W-86) 122mm/32calibre towed howitzer, which itself is a Chinese copy of the Russian D-30 122mm howitzer. The Type 89 retained the D-30/Type 86’s trademark box-shape shield for the recoil-recuperator mechanism mounted above the tube and the multi-baffle muzzle brake. Fire accuracy is achieved by a digital fire-control system and a roof-mounted electro-optical sighting for day/night operations.

The howitzer can fire all types of Chinese and Russian 122mm howitzer rounds. The maximum range of fire is 18km for standard high-explosive (HE) rounds and 21km for extended range full bore, hollow base (ERFB-HB) rounds. The howitzer is fitted with a semi-automatic loader, with a maximum rate of fire of 6~8 rounds/min. The howitzer carries 40 rounds inside the turret.

Secondary weapons include a 12.7mm anti-aircraft machine gun mounted on the roof of the turret, and two sets of four-barrel smoke grenade launchers mounted on the side of the turret.

The Type 89 is mounted on a tracked chassis derived from that of the Type 77 amphibious APC. The five crewmembers are protected by a collective anti-NBC systems and automatic fire suppression. The artillery system is powered by a 450 hp 12V150L12 diesel engine, which gives a maximum road speed of 60km/h. The combat weight is 20 tonnes. The Type 89 can swim with the assistance of certain floating devices.

Specifications

Crew: 5
Weight: 20 tonnes
Engine: 450hp 12V150L12 liquid-cooled diesel
Transmission: Mechanical, planetary
Track: Metallic
Suspension: Torsion bar
Radio: Receive/transmit, telephone
Dimension: Length: 11.00m; Height: 2.00m; Width: 3.40m
Cruising Range: 500km
Speed: Max road 60km/h
Main Gun: 122mm
Rate of Fire: 6~8 rounds/min
Auxiliary Weapon: one 12.7mm anti-aircraft machine gun
Fire Control: Digital with day/night sighting
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/artillery/plz89.asp
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Mensaje por Tiuna el Mar 23 Jul - 13:34

Type 63 Amphibious Tank


The Type 63 was China’s first amphibious tank developed from the Russian PT-76, but with a modified turret. The tank was designed for the ground forces to operate in the water regions and rice paddy fields in southern China, which are difficult for conventional main battle tanks. Later the tank was also adopted by the PLA Marine Corps for the amphibious assault operation. The tank has been gradually phased out since the late 1990s and replaced by the more capable Type 63A. A small number may still be operational for training purpose.

Programme

China obtained some PT-76 amphibious tanks from the USSR in the mid-1980s. In October 1958, the PLA decided to develop an indigenous amphibious tank based on the PT-76 design. The development programme was carried out by 201 Institute and 615 Factory. A prototype known as WZ221 was built and tested in 1959, but the design suffered from a number of problems including engine overheating. A revised design received extensive testing in 1961/62. The amphibious tank was finally approved for design finalisation in April 1963, and was officially designated Type 63. The tank entered the PLA service in the mid-1960s, but improvements on the design continued throughout the late 1960s and the 1970s.

The Type 63 amphibious tank was intended for inland river-crossing operations and amphibious landing in the costal regions. The tank can support the infantry in the attack or engage lightly armoured vehicles and fortifications, and can also be used for reconnaissance and patrol roles. The tank took part in a number of conflicts, including the Sri Lanka civil war, the 1960s/70s Vietnam War (used by the North Vietnamese Army), and the 1979 Sino-Vietnam border conflict (used by the PLA). During these conflicts, the Type 63 showed great mobility in terrains that are difficult for the heavy tanks, but its thin armour has caused heavy losses and casualties.

The PLA introduced the improved Type 63G in the mid-1990s for amphibious assault operations in the sea. The hull of the tank was enhanced for long-distance swimming from the amphibious ships to the shore. The original 86mm rifled gun was replaced by a more powerful 105mm rifled gun capable of firing the fin-stabilised discarding sabot (APFSDS) rounds. The tank was also added with laser rangefinder and a primitive fire-control for better firing accuracy. Based on the Type 63G design, a more radically modified variant known as Type 63A was introduced in the late 1990s. Other variants included Type 77-I/II amphibious APC, Type 76 amphibious armour recovery vehicle, and a 122 mm self-propelled howitzer.

Design

The Type 63 has a flat, boat-like hull similar to the design of the PT-76, apart from a nearly horizontal glacis plate and different engine grills. There are three separate vertical slot side inlets on the Type 63, in contrast to the single large inlet with inset vertical baffle plates on the PT-76. The turret has a ventilator dome with a snorkel fitting. The suspension has six road wheels and no return rollers. A half-egg-shape turret is mounted over the middle of the hull, with the powerpack compartment in the rear. Instead of a three-man crew on the PT-76, the Type 63 has a four-man crew for better efficiency. The tank is powered by a liquid cooled 400 hp 12150L2 diesel, giving the tank a maximum road speed of 36km and 12km in water.

The basic variant Type 63 is fitted with a Type 62-85TC rifled 85mm gun that can fire AP, APHE, HE, and HEAT rounds, with a firing speed of 8 rounds/min. The gun is not stabilised and is aimed via an optical gun sight. Secondary weapons include a coaxial 7.62mm machine gun and a 12.7mm air-defence machine gun.

The later variant Type 63-I is fitted with a 105mm rifled gun similar to those fitted on the Type 59II/69 and Type 80. The gun can fire armour piercing fin stabilised discarding sabot (APFSDS) as well as other standard ammunitions. The tank is also fitted with a primitive light spot fire-control with night vision channel and laser rangefinder input.

Type 63A

The Type 63A (also known as ZTS63A) is an modernised upgraded version of the Type 63, specially designed for maritime amphibious warfare. Unlike the original Type 63/PT-76, which was mainly intended for river-crossing operations at inland rivers and lakes, the Type 63A could be launched from amphibious warfare ships 5~7km offshore and travel shore at a high speed. The tank was also equipped with computerised fire-control to enable accurate firing both on land and at sea.

Before the mid-1990s, the PLA mainly relied on the ageing Type 63 amphibious tank developed in the early 1960s as the primary assault weapon in its amphibious troops. However, with its low swimming speed and weak firepower, the Type 63 was incapable of modern maritime amphibious assault operations. The PLA demanded a replacement for the Type 63 in the early 1990s, resulting in the introduction of the Type 63A in 1997. It was reported that over 300 examples of the Type 63A had been delivered to the PLA by 2000.

The Type 63A is a lightly armoured amphibious tank with a flat, boat-like hull. The suspension has six road wheels and lead/return rollers. A redesigned welded turret is mounted over the middle of the hull, with the powerpack compartment in the rear. The Type 63A adds two extra floating tanks (on front, one rear) to the original Type 63 hull to increase the stability of the vehicle in the water. There are three water inlets on either side of the hull. The vehicle is driven by two large water jets at rear when travelling in water.

Compared to the Type 63, the Type 63A featured five major improvements:

Better sea travelling performance in the offshore water;
Enlarged welded turret to accommodate the 105mm rifled gun;
Increased swimming speed;
Improved fire-control system (FCS) and night vision;
Capability to launch the anti-tank guided missile (ATGM);

To achieve better sea travelling performance and speed, the Type 63A was given a more powerful 580hp diesel engine, giving a power/weight ratio of 26.4hp/tonne. This together with an redesigned water jet has given the tank a maximum swimming speed of 28km/h (compared to 12km/h of the Type 63).

By introducing an enlarged welded turret to replace the original “half-egg” shape turret, the designer was able to replace the original 85mm gun with a dual-way stabilised 105mm rifled gun derived from the main gun of the Type 59D and Type 88 main battle tanks (MBT), but with reduced recoil for firing in swimming. The tank gun can fire armour piercing fin stabilised discarding sabot (APFSDS), high explosive (HE), and high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) ammunitions, with 45 rounds carried inside the vehicle. The APFSDS round could penetrate 650mm steel armour or destroy a reinforced concrete bunker a distance of 2,000m.

Despite the introduction of an FCS, the tank is still unable to fire accurately while travelling in the sea due to the effect the sea wave. To overcome this problem, the Type 63A was added with the ability to fire the laser-beam guidance ATGM. The PRC has developed a 105mm gun-launched ATGM based on the Russian 9M117 Bastion technology. The missile has a maximum firing range of 4,000~5,000m, with a single hit probability of over 90% against static targets. As well as being used for anti-armour warfare, the missile can also be used to engage low-flying helicopters.

The FCS includes a digital fire-control computer, integrated commander sight with laser rangefinder input, and light spot or image-stabilised gunner sight with passive night vision. The standard night vision is an image intensifier. Alternatively the gunner sight can be fitted with a thermal imager night vision with a maximum range of 2,100m. The tank is also equipped with the satellite positioning (GPS/GLONASS) system so that it can locate the correct landing position easily in all-weather, day/night conditions.

Specifications

Crew: 4
Weight: 18.4 tonnes
Engine: 400hp 12150L2 diesel
Transmission: Mechanical, planetary
Track: Metallic
Suspension: Torsion bar
Radio: A-220A receive/transmit radio; A-221A internal telephone
Dimension: Length: 7.288m; Height: 2.522m; Width: 3.200m
Cruising Range: 370km (road); 340 km (off-road); 120 km (swim)
Speed: Max road 36km/h; Max off-road 28km/h; Max swim 12km/h
Main Gun: Type 62-85TC 85mm (47 rounds); or 105mm rifled gun (Type 63G and Type 63A)
Gun Elevation/Depression: +22/-4 degree
Gun Stablisation: No
Auxiliary Weapon: One coaxial 7.62mm machine gun; one 12.7mm air-defence machine gun
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type63.asp
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Mensaje por Tiuna el Mar 23 Jul - 13:35

Type 86 Infantry Fighting Vehicle


The NORINCO WZ501 infantry fighting vehicle (IFV) is a Chinese copy of the Soviet/Russian BMP-1. China first obtained few examples of the BMP-1 via Egypt in the late 1970s. Reverse-engineering of the vehicle succeeded in 1986 and small batch production began in 1987. The WZ501 was originally developed for the export market, but was later adopted by the PLA, which desperately needed a dedicated IFV for its armoured troops. The WZ501 entered the PLA service in 1992 as the Type 86.

The basic variant WZ501 is almost identical to the BMP-1, apart from a slightly reduced combat weight and higher road speed. The vehicle is armed with a 73mm smoothbore gun and the HJ-73 anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), a Chinese copy of the Soviet AT-3 Sagger. Based on the WZ501 design, NORINCO has also introduced a range of modified variants, including armoured personnel carrier (APC), armoured command post, amphibious IFV, and improved IFV with 25mm and 30mm cannon.

When first introduced, the BMP-1 was regarded as a formidable weapon system. It has the range and speed necessary to keep up with the fast-moving tanks it normally follows in offensive formations. Its onboard weapons suppress those of most Western armoured vehicles of the same age. However, by the time the Type 86 entered service the design had become obsolete. The thin armour of the vehicle makes it extremely vulnerable to ATGM and tank fire in the battlefield. Due to the compactness of the vehicle, critical areas such as the engine compartment and ammunition storage area (on the right side), fuel cells (in the rear doors), and the troop compartment are located in such a manner that penetration anywhere on the vehicle normally will result in a mobility, firepower, or personnel kill.

It was estimated that the PLA maintains roughly 1,000 examples of the Type 86 IFV in operation. Most of these vehicles are deployed by armour units stationed in Northern China. The PLA Marine Corps in the southern Guangdong Province is also equipped with the amphibious variant Type 86B. The WZ501 has also been exported to Iran, Iraq, Burma, and Sri Lanka.

The liquid-cooled diesel engine is located at the right front of the hull, while the driver's hatch is at the left front, directly in front of the commander's hatch which mounts an IR searchlight. The gunner's hatch is on the left side of the low turret roof. To the rear of the turret there are four large hatches in the roof of the troop compartment, as well as two large exit doors in the rear. There are four firing ports in each side of the troop compartment and one in the left rear door, which allow the infantrymen to fire assault rifles and light machine guns from inside the vehicle on the move.

The Type 86 has a three-man crew, including the vehicle commander, who becomes the squad leader when the infantry passengers dismount through the rear exit doors. The vehicle has six unevenly spaced road wheels, with three track support rollers and a front drive sprocket. The vehicle is amphibious, propelled through water by its tracks. The amphibious variant Type 86B has an outboard boat motor to increase its performance in the sea.

The basic variant Type 86 IFV has a 73mm low-pressure smoothbore gun, firing two types of rounds including rocket-assisted, fin-stabilised HEAT (High-Explosive Anti-Tank) rounds and fin-stabilised HE anti-personnel rounds. The main gun is equipped with an automatic loader. The max range of HEAT and HE rounds are 1,300m and 2,900m respectively. The max rate of fire is 8 rounds/min. The vehicle carries 40 rounds (20 HEAT and 20 HE) in the turret, and has an infrared searchlight, periscopes, and sights for night operations.

A rail launcher for the HJ-73 ATGM is located above the gun for longer range antitank capability (up to 3,000m). The vehicle carries 4 missiles in the turret. Auxiliary weapon is a 7.62mm coaxial machine gun mounted in the turret.

There are nine ball-swivel firing ports in the vehicle hull, four on each side of the vehicle and one on the rear hatch cover. Cartridge cases are collected in the bags under the firing port, and the troop compartment is fitted with fume extractor fans.

The troop passengers can also carry two 7.62mm squad machine guns, a 40mm rocket propelled grenade (RPG) launcher, and a HN-5 or QW-1 shoulder-launched air-defence missile launcher.

Armour protection against 7.62mm calibre weapon systems is provided all round on the vehicle. When buttoned up, crew and passengers have NBC protection in the pressurised and filtered hull, which allows them to operate regardless of the outside environment. In addition, the vehicle has fire-fighting equipment and a capability to make its own smoke screen by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust manifold.

The Type 86 is powered by a 6V150 4-stroke water-cooled diesel engine with a standard power of 215kW (292hp) at 2,600r/min. The vehicle has 5 forward and 1 reverse gears, with mechanical gear box. Torsion bar suspensions with hydraulic shock absorbers on the 1st and 6th road-wheels of both sides.

Variants

WZ501 - Basic variant IFV with a one-man turret, which houses a 73mm low-pressure smoothbore gun and a HJ-73 ATGM rail launcher. The vehicle is generally identical to the Russian BMP-1
WZ503 - Armoured personnel carrier (APC) variant with main weapon replaced by a 12.7mm machine gun. Prototype only.
WZ504 - HJ-73B ATGM launch vehicle. Four HJ-73B missiles and optical sights are carried in a retractable weapon station, which can be hidden in the troop compartment when not in use. Basic ammunition load is 16 rounds. Prototype only.
WZ505 - Also known as Type 86-I. IFV with a one-man turret, which houses an indigenous 25mm automatic cannon and a coaxial 7.62mm Type 59 machine gun
WZ506 - Armoured command vehicle
NFV-1 IFV - A China-U.S. co-operation project in the 1980s that fits an FMC 25mm 'Bushmaster' automatic cannon on a Type 86 IFV hull, carrying 8 troops. Prototype only.
Type 86B - Amphibious variant based on the WZ501. The vehicle is fitted with a front wave fence and an external boat motor to improve its swimming performance. In service with the PLA Marine Corps
Type 86G - The latest improved variant fitted with a 30mm cannon turret and a HJ-73 ATGM launcher

Specifications

Crew: 3 (commander, driver, gunner)
Passenger: 8 infantry soldiers
Type: Tracked, armoured, limited amphibious capability
Weight: 13.3 tonnes
Engine: 292hp 6V150 4-stroke water-cooled diesel
Transmission: Mechanical
Suspension: Torsion bar suspensions with hydraulic shock absorbers
Radio: Radio set and telephone
Dimension: Length: 6.74m; Height: 1.92m; Width: 2.97m
Cruising Range: Road 410~510km; Swim 100km
Max Speed: Road 65km/h; Swim 7~8km/h
Average Speed: Road 40~45km/h; Off-road 31~35km/h
Weapon: (Basic variant IFV) 73mm smoothbore gun, HJ-73 ATGM, 12.7mm coaxial machine gun
http://www.sinodefence.com/army/armour/type86.asp
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Mensaje por soldadox el Mar 23 Jul - 13:35

@Tiuna escribió:Type 63 Amphibious Tank


The Type 63 was China’s first amphibious tank developed from the Russian PT-76, but with a modified turret. The tank was designed for the ground forces to operate in the water regions and rice paddy fields in southern China, which are difficult for conventional main battle tanks. Later the tank was also adopted by the PLA Marine Corps for the amphibious assault operation. The tank has been gradually phased out since the late 1990s and replaced by the more capable Type 63A. A small number may still be operational for training purpose.

Programme

China obtained some PT-76 amphibious tanks from the USSR in the mid-1980s. In October 1958, the PLA decided to develop an indigenous amphibious tank based on the PT-76 design. The development programme was carried out by 201 Institute and 615 Factory. A prototype known as WZ221 was built and tested in 1959, but the design suffered from a number of problems including engine overheating. A revised design received extensive testing in 1961/62. The amphibious tank was finally approved for design finalisation in April 1963, and was officially designated Type 63. The tank entered the PLA service in the mid-1960s, but improvements on the design continued throughout the late 1960s and the 1970s.

The Type 63 amphibious tank was intended for inland river-crossing operations and amphibious landing in the costal regions. The tank can support the infantry in the attack or engage lightly armoured vehicles and fortifications, and can also be used for reconnaissance and patrol roles. The tank took part in a number of conflicts, including the Sri Lanka civil war, the 1960s/70s Vietnam War (used by the North Vietnamese Army), and the 1979 Sino-Vietnam border conflict (used by the PLA). During these conflicts, the Type 63 showed great mobility in terrains that are difficult for the heavy tanks, but its thin armour has caused heavy losses and casualties.

The PLA introduced the improved Type 63G in the mid-1990s for amphibious assault operations in the sea. The hull of the tank was enhanced for long-distance swimming from the amphibious ships to the shore. The original 86mm rifled gun was replaced by a more powerful 105mm rifled gun capable of firing the fin-stabilised discarding sabot (APFSDS) rounds. The tank was also added with laser rangefinder and a primitive fire-control for better firing accuracy. Based on the Type 63G design, a more radically modified variant known as Type 63A was introduced in the late 1990s. Other variants included Type 77-I/II amphibious APC, Type 76 amphibious armour recovery vehicle, and a 122 mm self-propelled howitzer.

Design

The Type 63 has a flat, boat-like hull similar to the design of the PT-76, apart from a nearly horizontal glacis plate and different engine grills. There are three separate vertical slot side inlets on the Type 63, in contrast to the single large inlet with inset vertical baffle plates on the PT-76. The turret has a ventilator dome with a snorkel fitting. The suspension has six road wheels and no return rollers. A half-egg-shape turret is mounted over the middle of the hull, with the powerpack compartment in the rear. Instead of a three-man crew on the PT-76, the Type 63 has a four-man crew for better efficiency. The tank is powered by a liquid cooled 400 hp 12150L2 diesel, giving the tank a maximum road speed of 36km and 12km in water.

The basic variant Type 63 is fitted with a Type 62-85TC rifled 85mm gun that can fire AP, APHE, HE, and HEAT rounds, with a firing speed of 8 rounds/min. The gun is not stabilised and is aimed via an optical gun sight. Secondary weapons include a coaxial 7.62mm machine gun and a 12.7mm air-defence machine gun.

The later variant Type 63-I is fitted with a 105mm rifled gun similar to those fitted on the Type 59II/69 and Type 80. The gun can fire armour piercing fin stabilised discarding sabot (APFSDS) as well as other standard ammunitions. The tank is also fitted with a primitive light spot fire-control with night vision channel and laser rangefinder input.

Type 63A

The Type 63A (also known as ZTS63A) is an modernised upgraded version of the Type 63, specially designed for maritime amphibious warfare. Unlike the original Type 63/PT-76, which was mainly intended for river-crossing operations at inland rivers and lakes, the Type 63A could be launched from amphibious warfare ships 5~7km offshore and travel shore at a high speed. The tank was also equipped with computerised fire-control to enable accurate firing both on land and at sea.

Before the mid-1990s, the PLA mainly relied on the ageing Type 63 amphibious tank developed in the early 1960s as the primary assault weapon in its amphibious troops. However, with its low swimming speed and weak firepower, the Type 63 was incapable of modern maritime amphibious assault operations. The PLA demanded a replacement for the Type 63 in the early 1990s, resulting in the introduction of the Type 63A in 1997. It was reported that over 300 examples of the Type 63A had been delivered to the PLA by 2000.

The Type 63A is a lightly armoured amphibious tank with a flat, boat-like hull. The suspension has six road wheels and lead/return rollers. A redesigned welded turret is mounted over the middle of the hull, with the powerpack compartment in the rear. The Type 63A adds two extra floating tanks (on front, one rear) to the original Type 63 hull to increase the stability of the vehicle in the water. There are three water inlets on either side of the hull. The vehicle is driven by two large water jets at rear when travelling in water.

Compared to the Type 63, the Type 63A featured five major improvements:

   Better sea travelling performance in the offshore water;
   Enlarged welded turret to accommodate the 105mm rifled gun;
   Increased swimming speed;
   Improved fire-control system (FCS) and night vision;
   Capability to launch the anti-tank guided missile (ATGM);

To achieve better sea travelling performance and speed, the Type 63A was given a more powerful 580hp diesel engine, giving a power/weight ratio of 26.4hp/tonne. This together with an redesigned water jet has given the tank a maximum swimming speed of 28km/h (compared to 12km/h of the Type 63).

By introducing an enlarged welded turret to replace the original “half-egg” shape turret, the designer was able to replace the original 85mm gun with a dual-way stabilised 105mm rifled gun derived from the main gun of the Type 59D and Type 88 main battle tanks (MBT), but with reduced recoil for firing in swimming. The tank gun can fire armour piercing fin stabilised discarding sabot (APFSDS), high explosive (HE), and high-explosive anti-tank (HEAT) ammunitions, with 45 rounds carried inside the vehicle. The APFSDS round could penetrate 650mm steel armour or destroy a reinforced concrete bunker a distance of 2,000m.

Despite the introduction of an FCS, the tank is still unable to fire accurately while travelling in the sea due to the effect the sea wave. To overcome this problem, the Type 63A was added with the ability to fire the laser-beam guidance ATGM. The PRC has developed a 105mm gun-launched ATGM based on the Russian 9M117 Bastion technology. The missile has a maximum firing range of 4,000~5,000m, with a single hit probability of over 90% against static targets. As well as being used for anti-armour warfare, the missile can also be used to engage low-flying helicopters.

The FCS includes a digital fire-control computer, integrated commander sight with laser rangefinder input, and light spot or image-stabilised gunner sight with passive night vision. The standard night vision is an image intensifier. Alternatively the gunner sight can be fitted with a thermal imager night vision with a maximum range of 2,100m. The tank is also equipped with the satellite positioning (GPS/GLONASS) system so that it can locate the correct landing position easily in all-weather, day/night conditions.

Specifications

Crew: 4
Weight: 18.4 tonnes
Engine: 400hp 12150L2 diesel
Transmission: Mechanical, planetary
Track: Metallic
Suspension: Torsion bar
Radio: A-220A receive/transmit radio; A-221A internal telephone
Dimension: Length: 7.288m; Height: 2.522m; Width: 3.200m
Cruising Range: 370km (road); 340 km (off-road); 120 km (swim)
Speed: Max road 36km/h; Max off-road 28km/h; Max swim 12km/h
Main Gun: Type 62-85TC 85mm (47 rounds); or 105mm rifled gun (Type 63G and Type 63A)
Gun Elevation/Depression: +22/-4 degree
Gun Stablisation: No
Auxiliary Weapon: One coaxial 7.62mm machine gun; one 12.7mm air-defence machine gun
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Mensaje por nick7777 el Mar 23 Jul - 14:39

Bueno,bueno...es obvio que los colombianos han abierto un nuevo FRENTE SUR,lo cual,debería preocuparnos...y bastante;como conocedor de la zona en cuestión,puedo confirmar,que salvo los infames restos de carretera de puertoayacucho a  caicara del orinoco,sería una vía de penetración expédita,fácil y rápida para fuerzas terrestres o aeromoviles colombianas,la cuña de un brazo de una pinza conformada por tales fuerzas ,podría comprometer el complejo hidroléctrico del caroní,en horas ,y su progresión dividir el complejo gasífero-petrolero y refinador de oriente.

la quinta división,de infantería de selva,los core de la GNB y el comando  fluvial ni remotamente cuentan con los elementos pesados y de transporte táctico necesarios para reaccionar a un movimiento inicial de este tipo;de hecho,sus guarniciones se encuentran dispersas en los inmensos territorios selváticos y sabanales de la guayana bolivarense y amazónica,lo cual determina una debilidad en sus capacidades  para concentrar fuegos significativos contra una amenaza de entidad importante como la que se perfila;menos,una que maniobre a bordo de gran número de helicópteros.Y este punto:"helicópteros",hay que entenderlo:el contingente de 1800 efectivos,puede ser el elemento constitutivo,inicial;no significa,que rápidamente no puedan congregarse nuevos elementos,y conformarse un T.O de dimensiones y flexibilidad estratégica importantes.

Me atrevo a sugerir,la conformación d euna guarnición de nivel brigada a la altura de caicara del orinoco con uno o dos batallones blindados  y un par de batallones de infantería desplegados en:cabruta(infantería),caicara (blindados e infantería mecanizada),maripa(batallón)

El reforzamiento antiaéreo debería contemplar un GADA,EN PUERTO AYACUCHO,y otro GADA en cabruta,cubriendo el tercer puente sobre el orinoco y las guarniciónes de cabruta y caicara del orinoco.

lo OTRO:reforzar la guarnición de ciudad Bolivar con una GADC y un GADA  y un batallón blindado.

Esta estructura garantizaría una resistencia paulatinamente mayor a cualquier fuerza heliportada o terrestre proveniente del sur y denegaría la progresión de esas fuerzas,asegurando además su rápida degradación.

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Mensaje por nick7777 el Mar 23 Jul - 15:09

En otro orden de ideas,no entendería la compra de material de segunda mano,excedente del ejército chino,así como tampoco entendería adicionar a el parque logístico un nuevo calibre de obús(el 122mm),si se determinase la necesidad de un cañón autopropulsado  ,este debería venir en calibre de 152 o 155mm.

Adquirir una pieza autopropulsada de 122mm,implicaría hacer uan inversión de largo plazo en un material netamente inferior al resto de lo ofertado por el proveedor(china),así como a lo disponible para adquirir por parte del adversario(obuses de 155mm o lanzacohetes múltiples),por lo que esa inversión en material,perdería rápidamente su capacidad disuasiva.

tampoco veo lógico la adquisición de material viejo,ya de salida de el PLA,y ,por tanto,con cadenas logísticas cerradas...aún y cuando sobraría el material disponible dadas las ingentes cantidades de excedentes.

sobre todo porque 500 millones de dólares es uan cantidad de armas importante, y porque la idea era"modernizar" a la infantería de marina Venezolana ,no devolverla a los 70s.
Yo descartaría que se fuese a comprar type 63 o type 86.


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Mensaje por HUNTER VZLA el Mar 23 Jul - 15:10

@nick7777 escribió:Bueno,bueno...es obvio que los colombianos han abierto un nuevo FRENTE SUR,lo cual,debería preocuparnos...y bastante;como conocedor de la zona en cuestión,puedo confirmar,que salvo los infames restos de carretera de puertoayacucho a  caicara del orinoco,sería una vía de penetración expédita,fácil y rápida para fuerzas terrestres o aeromoviles colombianas,la cuña de un brazo de una pinza conformada por tales fuerzas ,podría comprometer el complejo hidroléctrico del caroní,en horas ,y su progresión dividir el complejo gasífero-petrolero y refinador de oriente.

la quinta división,de infantería de selva,los core de la GNB y el comando  fluvial ni remotamente cuentan con los elementos pesados y de transporte táctico necesarios para reaccionar a un movimiento inicial de este tipo;de hecho,sus guarniciones se encuentran dispersas en los inmensos territorios selváticos y sabanales de la guayana bolivarense y amazónica,lo cual determina una debilidad en sus capacidades  para concentrar fuegos significativos contra una amenaza de entidad importante como la que se perfila;menos,una que maniobre a bordo de gran número de helicópteros.Y este punto:"helicópteros",hay que entenderlo:el contingente de 1800 efectivos,puede ser el elemento constitutivo,inicial;no significa,que rápidamente no puedan congregarse nuevos elementos,y conformarse un T.O de dimensiones y flexibilidad estratégica importantes.

Me atrevo a sugerir,la conformación d euna guarnición de nivel brigada a la altura de caicara del orinoco con uno o dos batallones blindados  y un par de batallones de infantería desplegados en:cabruta(infantería),caicara (blindados e infantería mecanizada),maripa(batallón)

El reforzamiento antiaéreo debería contemplar un GADA,EN PUERTO AYACUCHO,y otro GADA en cabruta,cubriendo el tercer puente sobre el orinoco y las guarniciónes de cabruta y caicara del orinoco.

lo OTRO:reforzar la guarnición de ciudad Bolivar con una GADC y un GADA  y un batallón blindado.

Esta estructura garantizaría una resistencia paulatinamente mayor a cualquier fuerza heliportada o terrestre proveniente del sur y denegaría la progresión de esas fuerzas,asegurando además su rápida degradación.



ahora yo te digo nick de que nos sirve todo eso blindados etc si el gobierno permite esto

Campesinos del Catatumbo están emigrando hacia Venezuela


http://www.radiomunera.com/contenidos/contenidos/campesinos_del_catatumbo_estan_emigrando_hacia_venezuela.php


que decepción con el gobierno de maduro esperaba que iba a ser mas anti ca li che pero mas de lomismo una de las venidas de santos era para negociar lo d elos refugiados asi que de que nos sirve tanques y demas cosas si dejan al enemigo entrar asi de facil Verga:(
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Mensaje por vudu 1 el Mar 23 Jul - 15:23

Que peo no se va comprar armamento viejo para idm tan noveliando
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Mensaje por nick7777 el Mar 23 Jul - 15:24

@HUNTER VZLA escribió:
@nick7777 escribió:Bueno,bueno...es obvio que los colombianos han abierto un nuevo FRENTE SUR,lo cual,debería preocuparnos...y bastante;como conocedor de la zona en cuestión,puedo confirmar,que salvo los infames restos de carretera de puertoayacucho a  caicara del orinoco,sería una vía de penetración expédita,fácil y rápida para fuerzas terrestres o aeromoviles colombianas,la cuña de un brazo de una pinza conformada por tales fuerzas ,podría comprometer el complejo hidroléctrico del caroní,en horas ,y su progresión dividir el complejo gasífero-petrolero y refinador de oriente.

la quinta división,de infantería de selva,los core de la GNB y el comando  fluvial ni remotamente cuentan con los elementos pesados y de transporte táctico necesarios para reaccionar a un movimiento inicial de este tipo;de hecho,sus guarniciones se encuentran dispersas en los inmensos territorios selváticos y sabanales de la guayana bolivarense y amazónica,lo cual determina una debilidad en sus capacidades  para concentrar fuegos significativos contra una amenaza de entidad importante como la que se perfila;menos,una que maniobre a bordo de gran número de helicópteros.Y este punto:"helicópteros",hay que entenderlo:el contingente de 1800 efectivos,puede ser el elemento constitutivo,inicial;no significa,que rápidamente no puedan congregarse nuevos elementos,y conformarse un T.O de dimensiones y flexibilidad estratégica importantes.

Me atrevo a sugerir,la conformación d euna guarnición de nivel brigada a la altura de caicara del orinoco con uno o dos batallones blindados  y un par de batallones de infantería desplegados en:cabruta(infantería),caicara (blindados e infantería mecanizada),maripa(batallón)

El reforzamiento antiaéreo debería contemplar un GADA,EN PUERTO AYACUCHO,y otro GADA en cabruta,cubriendo el tercer puente sobre el orinoco y las guarniciónes de cabruta y caicara del orinoco.

lo OTRO:reforzar la guarnición de ciudad Bolivar con una GADC y un GADA  y un batallón blindado.

Esta estructura garantizaría una resistencia paulatinamente mayor a cualquier fuerza heliportada o terrestre proveniente del sur y denegaría la progresión de esas fuerzas,asegurando además su rápida degradación.



ahora yo te digo nick de que nos sirve todo eso blindados etc si el gobierno permite esto

Campesinos del Catatumbo están emigrando hacia Venezuela


http://www.radiomunera.com/contenidos/contenidos/campesinos_del_catatumbo_estan_emigrando_hacia_venezuela.php


que decepción con el gobierno de maduro esperaba que iba a ser mas anti ca li che pero mas de lomismo una de las venidas de santos era para negociar lo d elos refugiados asi que de que nos sirve tanques y demas cosas si dejan al enemigo entrar asi de facil Verga:(


Eso es otra voz:eso es asunto del ministerio del interior controlar a la basura colombiche que entra legalmente al país,yo hablo de medidas MILITARES proporcionales para defender el FRENTE SUR.

No sabemos si el propósito final de nuestros políticos ,conlleva a la resurrección de la gran colombia,quien sabe....todo tiene un límite,usted y yo no sabemos ,que se está jugando por arriba:santos,hasta ahora,"negocia",es otra "joyita",pero hace sus vainas más disimuladas,el loco narcoparaco de uribe,quiere que nos matemos: a Venezuela le conviene santos en el poder,no uribe,acaso aceptar a esos campesinos sea una "válvula de escape de gás" que santos le solicitó a maduro o que maduro le propuso a "chucky"...uribe,significa guerra,y guerra para  ayer...

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Mensaje por nick7777 el Mar 23 Jul - 15:28

@vudu 1 escribió:Que peo  no se va comprar armamento viejo para idm  tan noveliando

Larga un dato o confirmalo hermano,a ver cual es cual.Very Happy 
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Mensaje por vudu 1 el Mar 23 Jul - 15:32

Usted sabe cuales son, y ya eso usted sabe que esta requeteconfirmao, viene el lomito chino ni mas ni menos
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Mensaje por horaes el Mar 23 Jul - 15:45

Mijo, mijos no se ahoguen, en un vaso de agua...


La Inf. de Marina, tendrá TRES BRIGADAS DE CABALLERIA AEREA y DOS de INFANTERIA MECANIZADA...Very Happy 


Eso sin contar otras UNIDADES....jejeje, cómo por ejemplo UNA BRIGADA DE OPERACIONES ESPECIALES...UNA BRIGADA DE DEFENSA AEREA y....jejeje...sin contar UNIDADES DE LA MILICIA...conformadas por RESERVISTAS y...



Agrupadas en XXX....DIVISIONES...jejejeje



El DISPOSITIVO en el SUR será REFORZADO...recuerden que TENEMOS GURI, SIDERURGICAS, y...la... SEGUNDA BASE AEROESPACIAL...con una PISTA que será....jejeje....¿ para que será...?scratch Rolling Eyes Very Happy 


Lo repito les mortifica la cifra de.....500...NUEVOS


Y el COMPLEMENTO VERTICAL.... más MI-17 y...¿ Z-8 ?.....y por supuesto...la mamá...



No se alboroten...ojo...a según...Cool 



En las mayusculas...
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Mensaje por oscaramh el Mar 23 Jul - 15:59



Z-8 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked 

ULTIMA ACTUALIZACION DEL Z-8




Avicopter AC313

El AC313 un diseño actualizado basado en el anterior Harbin Z-8, en sí mismo un desarrollo de la Aérospatiale Super Avispón . El diseñador general de AC313 es el Sr. Xu Chaoliang (徐朝梁), y el diseñador general adjunto de AC313 es el Sr. Li Jiayun (李家云). El prototipo voló por primera vez en Jingdezhen , Jiangxi , el 18 de marzo de 2010. Está diseñado para llevar a 27 pasajeros, tiene un alcance máximo informado de 900 kilómetros y una carga útil máxima de 13,8 toneladas. [4] [5]

LA MAMA:shock: Shocked Shocked 

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TRES BRIGADAS CABALLERIA AEREA

DOS BRIGADAS INFANTERIA MECANIZADA

UNA BRIGADA OPERACIONES ESPECIALES

UNA BRIGADA DEFENSA ANTIAEREA ( SUPER MOVIL) Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked


ESTO ME HUELE A MANIOBRAS MILITARES UTILIZADAS EN VIETNAM....................

OSEA UN GRAN PODER DE FUEGO........................... HAY VENDRAN HELIPCOPTEROS DE ATAQUES............ MI-28 O CAIC WZ-10




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Mensaje por vudu 1 el Mar 23 Jul - 16:02

Cosas que nadie me creía, pero bueno ya no soy el único que asoma los pero les que vienen
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Mensaje por oscaramh el Mar 23 Jul - 16:15

esto me huele como a una primera division de caballeria aerea................................... con todo sus peroles



hay mucho material que nisiquiera nos enteraremos que llegara.
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estamos en las grandes ligas
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Mensaje por vudu 1 el Mar 23 Jul - 16:17

Je je je ta bien retro ese logo buenos días VIETNAMMMMMMM
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Mensaje por Sgt.Elias el Mar 23 Jul - 16:20

Bueno nickkk... que bien que alguien en el foro se dio cuenta que NO SOLO EXISTE LA GUAJIRA...

Yo tengo unos planitos por ahi... y comento que de existir un ataque de la OTAN (ojo... hipotetico) esos carajos se van ameter de cabeza por el Delta y nos pican en dos... y adios luz que te apgastes (literalmente) precisamente por lo mismo que comentas... industrias basicas, complejos refinadores y complejo hidorelectrico... catapum... hasta ahi llegamos...

Bueno... yo me imagino que todo lo que estas colocando ha sido de alguna manera "previsto" por la FANB y deben estar en proceso de tomar medidas...

Por otro lado... compañero nickkk yo sinceramente no conozco nada de esa region en particular... pero ... no es un "poco" dificil la utilizacion de blindados en esa clase de zonas????... es decir... en vietnam los comabtes con blindados se limitaron ahsta donde la vegetacion y la geografia lo permitiron... mi pregunta es esa?????... que tan civneniente es el uso de blindados pesados en Selvas Tropicales Húmedas????

Ahora... si ud me dice que "bastante sabana hay"... otro gallo canta...

Hunter... como escribio horaes... este temita de los refugiados... es un tema de alto nivel... y se está manejando de manera "adecuada"... de hecho... este es un TEMA... y tanto es asi... que puede termianr "explotando" de otra manera... pasese un ratico por el area libre... particularmente el tema de "crisis social en Colombia"...

PD. Ese peo se le puede ir de las manos facilito a Santos... y una explosion social en el país vecino en pre-campaña electoral.... bueno hasta ahi se lo dejo compañero... mire que por ahi sigue jodiendo Dr. Varito... y con ese "ni a la esquina"... cosa que no estaria mal pq temrinarian de joderse los vecinos (económica y socialmente)... pero pudiese desencadenar un conflicto de verdad... que NADIE QUIERE... ud sabrá quien es el que lo anda buscando...
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